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Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 00:55:00 - [1] Originally by: ZeroForce once again avoided the point there kieron stop hiding and face us you say there was no "rigging" involved yet you say that the ending is pre-determined make up your mind It's called a storyline.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 00:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Moving Along on 28/05/2007 01:02:02 Originally by: ZeroForce Edited by: ZeroForce on 28/05/2007 00:07:14 this game is supposed to be "sandbox" meaning its an open ended game where the players can decide things....judging from this your breaking legal laws and admitting to it? also the funny thing is how your finding all these things as "groundless" despite admitting YOURSELF that most staff are not present....so i have to wonder how your doing things so quickly...woops sorry did i just spot a flaw in your investigation? Actually, you fail to realize that they have to keep the storyline intact. Your logic is flawed from every aspect. Your claims are completely groundless, to be honest. Get a life buddy, stop trying to incite a riot. kieron is respectable. You are not. He provided you with an answer and you don't like it. If you don't believe there is enough proof, as for more. If they can't provide more, ask why. If they tell you why and you still don't like it, then just give up. Quit Eve if your delusions are truly affecting you that much that you would threaten legal action.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:05:00 - [3] Originally by: ZeroForce Edited by: ZeroForce on 28/05/2007 01:00:37 Originally by: Moving Along Originally by: ZeroForce Edited by: ZeroForce on 28/05/2007 00:07:14 this game is supposed to be "sandbox" meaning its an open ended game where the players can decide things....judging from this your breaking legal laws and admitting to it? also the funny thing is how your finding all these things as "groundless" despite admitting YOURSELF that most staff are not present....so i have to wonder how your doing things so quickly...woops sorry did i just spot a flaw in your investigation? Actually, you fail to realize that they have to keep the storyline intact. Your logic is flawed from every aspect. Your claims are completely groundless to be honest. Get a life buddy, stop trying to incite a riot. why dont you GTFO m8 and stop speaking utter BS cause thats all you can do...ok? Can we go back to the other thread where it is proven that you were speaking BS? I believe I have backed up my claims or asked for more proof for yours. You fail at providing any legitimate information in all of your posts. You obviously exist to troll. I personally hope you are banned for your continued insults and blatantly false allegations.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:13:00 - [4] Originally by: ZeroForce i've given enough proff in the fact that the guilty party has practically claimed being guilty so stfu you pathetic child What claims of guilt? Where? He said there was an information leak on a storyline progression and you claim that someone is guilty enough for legal action to be a course of action. You are a complete fool. Stop trying to use name-calling to help your failing points. It isn't working.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:14:00 - [5] Originally by: CaptainAttitude This won't always be the only good spaceship game out there. As soon as a competitor shows up I'm cancelling my account. And I'll take as many people with me as I can. Go for it. Better to play with people of honor here, than to play with people who don't even read the OP.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:17:00 - [6] Originally by: ZeroForce ok how about this im sick of your fool comments therfore im not commenting in this thread as i have said enough CCP is guilty and over half the EVE community agrees reply however the hell you want child i wont be looking "Over half" <-- complete BS ... half dont even use the forum It's sad that you call my posts "fool comments" when I've actually read the OP. You obviously didn't understand what kieron even said. Your first post in this thread was a conspiracy theory. You are a cruel person. Or maybe you are honestly missing something here. In the latter case, I hope you reread the OP and understand what he actually said.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 28/05/2007 01:21:32 Originally by: ZeroForce ok how about this im sick of your fool comments therfore im not commenting in this thread as i have said enough CCP is guilty and over half the EVE community agrees reply however the hell you want child i wont be looking 4000 posts, with perhaps 10 to 20 posts (probably more) per person who is actually involved there is a far cry from the 140,000 subscriptions CCP maintains. We're quite aware of what your opinions are, and we're quite frankly disgusted with how you decide to express them. If you hate it, just quit. We're better off without your attitude. A population of people like you could ruin any game for anybody. <3 ... I'm glad to see that there are more people watching these thread that are keeping a cool head and actually communicating with CCP as civilized people.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:27:00 - [8] Edited by: Moving Along on 28/05/2007 01:26:10 Originally by: Reverof Err....Im new to Eve and to be honest all I just wanted to say - Do you moaning lot realize its just game!? Its not real, its not real life and who cares about this part of the allegations if its to progress the game and effects NPC's? Im more bothered about my standings dropping, making ISK and getting into my Hyperion... oh and enjoying the GAME. p.s. Kieron chuck me a BPO please Reverof Well, the fact is that people do pay for the game. So for people to be upset is understandable. However, now that kieron has given us the truth about what happened, we can all rest at ease. If anyone tries to deny the fact that its a truth, please leave now because you haven't read the TWO posts by kieron in this thread.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Flaming Lemming Originally by: FlamingErictilePhaillicy Why is there no sticky regarding bob contacts to devs high up via msn?....... Harder to spin. Ha ha ... they are investigating one at a time. Just as the two posters above you said. Please stop trolling, people.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Robert Denby Originally by: FlamingErictilePhaillicy Why is there no sticky regarding bob contacts to devs high up via msn?....... This, to me, is the main allegation. Why does BoB get to circumvent the petition system? Let's face it, sometimes the petitions are like getting Dell tech support in India. "Chandler" isn't the brightest bulb on the tree. I've seen petitions take over a month to resolve. Just imagine, IM for petition support. What a wonderful world it would be. They aren't circumventing it. They have been (from what I have heard, please correct me if I'm wrong) able to accelerate petitions.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Evelgrivion Originally by: Flaming Lemming Originally by: FlamingErictilePhaillicy Why is there no sticky regarding bob contacts to devs high up via msn?....... Harder to spin. What spin? Kieron is just unnecessarily vague The allegations that CCP was rigging these events to end in the favor of a few players was proven to be false. However, the issue of them being completely inflexible with a foregone conclusion is something aurora should address. They're somewhat less fun if the players cant affect the outcome Who cares if they can't affect the outcome? As long as the story is cool its all good .
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Shadow Elk Is this the line to the developer MSN handout? lol ... first troll who has made a funny all night :D
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:50:00 - [13] Originally by: raven415 Originally by: Evelgrivion Originally by: FlamingErictilePhaillicy Why is there no sticky regarding bob contacts to devs high up via msn?....... I think its because those allegations are still under investigation. As such, one will appear in due time, I'm sure. i agree but maybe banning his isp would be better Did you quote the wrong post? If you didn't I must be missing your meaning.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Kreul Intentions FYI - Stay on the topic of this post, or refrain from posting. If you are wondering where your post went, it has been removed. I also removed posts that quoted any other post that was snipped. Thank you. THANK YOU. Will you have my babies? Seriously though. Glad to see it was cleaned up.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Hsin CCP denying everything and trying to cover stuff up? What a shock. Note that it's the community manager (i.e. bagdad bob) instead of IA posting this. What a suprise (not). Trolling == bad mmkay? Make civilized posts or leave. Do you have something to say? Or do you prefer to sit there and whine without making any point or asking any question that is truly relevant to the subject matter of the OP.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 02:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Jonas Vance Originally by: Moving Along Originally by: Hsin CCP denying everything and trying to cover stuff up? What a shock. Note that it's the community manager (i.e. bagdad bob) instead of IA posting this. What a suprise (not). Trolling == bad mmkay? Make civilized posts or leave. Do you have something to say? Or do you prefer to sit there and whine without making any point or asking any question that is truly relevant to the subject matter of the OP. I believe I made pretty much the same humorous assumption that this was not posted by IA, and that does seem relevant... Your's was humorous. His was just trolling. He also dropped in his conspiracy theory.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 02:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Jonas Vance Originally by: Moving Along Your's was humorous and did make an interesting point. His was just trolling. He also dropped in his conspiracy theory. I don't care if kieron or Arkanon made the OP. Does it truly matter (Serious question btw)? They DO communicate with each other. Arkanon also has another job to perform right now (ie. investigating some other theory that the forum crazies want investigated). Yeah, I agree, bit of the evil troll in that post there. It really does matter, if CCP would like to maintain the distinction between IA and the rest of them. IA needs to be an unbiased 3rd party that investigates these matters. What if Kieron isn't representing the IA teams findings correctly. If a company gets audited, it is by a third party that has no bias with the company. If a representive from the company comes out and claims "This is what the third party auditors found", and that's not the case, that is a severe breach of protocol. If the audit firm comes out and says something different, well that looks quite bad for said company. I understand your views here. However, kieron is the community manager. I would consider him to be on the same unbiased 3rd-party level as the IA team. Maybe that's just me. shrugs I, for one, trust kieron's representation.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 02:14:00 - [18] Originally by: frappo i know of several times ccp steped in to mess with the game ie ccp messing wiht lv pos makin them there space because ccp took it on them selfs to make players lose space or that ccp has been involved giving bob several t2bpos and other stuff and some players geting there ships back and some not because the space was laged out and every one on lv side lost ships and goons didnt may i go on and on but u wont ever find it in ur documents that ccp ****** up and they just dont wanna say they did but hay u guys suck You are sooooo wrong on almost every point you just tried to make. Please use punctuation next time as well. If you would like clarification on the errors you made, please repost in a more readable format... No offense.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 02:16:00 - [19] Originally by: arghy steelwill I personally dont RP but comeing from a 0.0 pvpers point of view i'm seeing an alliance im fighting getting free equipment for apparently just partcipating in an RP event. You have just stated that one side gets chosen to win, so i'm fighting and liveing in 0.0 the standard way while my enemy says a few lines and gets free faction gear that instantly appears on the front lines. Are you saying that this is ok and i also have to RP to get freebies?(im sure this wont be biased). The prime example is the MS event with LV, that in NO WAY needed to happen yet it did and it was insanely sketchy(LV was pretty much the only entity that was close by). If you are going to be giveing absurd rewards away without work being put into them i'm going to have to protest as you are human and prone to favorites. Please read the post directly below this one you made. You misunderstood the OP. The one under yours clarifies.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 02:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Lord Darous I would definitely like to see some information regarding any players having any sort of direct access or line of communication with developers, storyline staff, or otherwise. The mere idea that a player knows game masters, game developers, or otherwise -- and know of their status as such -- is a blantant disregard to the rules laid down by the development team at launch, that spoke of being completely invisible to the public's eye, as far as their position is concerned. This needs immediate remedy or CCP needs to start looking for new staff members. This has piqued my interest. That's not fair for the lives that the employees have outside of work. The ONLY thing that needs to be addressed is possible favoritism. Not the fact that they have contact.
Moving Along ARM Logistical Support	Posted - 2007.05.28 02:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Aegieal So if i know a dev in real life, and an ISD member breaks the rules in game, and call him up on the phone to ask for help, what is wrong with that? Please, tell me just one thing: WHICH rule did he break? I spent some time and found rules on this website. Did you? Do you have any idea what rule he has broken? He was creating a hypothetical situation there. That whooshing sound was his point flying over your head. :P Honestly though, I don't know what happened with that ISD dude.

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